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11022011P&ZMinutes CITY OF AMMON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION November 2, 2011 AGENDA: CITY OF AMMON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION November 2, 2011 CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Quinn Simmons Pledge of Allegiance: Steve Richards MINUTES: October 5, 2011 PUBLIC HEARINGS: 2011-016 – Hawks Landing – Modification of Development Agreement/Master Plan ACTION ITEMS: 1. Recommendation on Hearing DISCUSSION ITEMS: 1. Comprehensive Plan Draft REPORTS: 1. City Council Actions 2. City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning Actions – Cindy Donovan 3. Bonneville County Planning and Zoning Actions – Tom Hunsaker Call for Adjournment: MINUTES The meeting was called to order by Chairman Quinn Simmons at 7:00 p.m. in the City Building at 2135 South Ammon Road, Ammon, Idaho. Steve Richards led the Pledge of Allegiance. Members Present: Quinn Simmons, Chairman Tom Hunsaker Steve Richards Kurt Roland Scott Wessel Rick Butler City Officials Present: Ron Folsom, Planning Director Lance Bates, Engineer Gay Leming, Deputy Clerk Absent Members: Cindy Donovan Greg Maeser Robert Taylor MINUTES: October 5, 2011: Commissioner Tom Hunsaker moved to approve the minutes, as presented. Commissioner Steve Richards seconded the motion. All in favor – the motion passed. PUBLIC HEARINGS: 2011-016 – Hawks Landing – Modification of Development Agreement/Master Plan Chairman Quinn Simmons opened the public hearing and explained the hearing process to the public. 13 Planning and Zoning Minutes 11-2-11 Page of Ron explained the request will affect the entire Hawks Landing Development and not just what is being developed today. Everything in Sections 1, 3, and 5, is to modify section 1 and 5 to allow a 10 foot side yard, and to change the combined square footage of multi-story buildings from 2400 sq. feet with a 1400 square foot footprint to 2000 square feet with an 1100 square foot footprint. The next modification in section 3 is more an interpretation on whether and how use of the driveway for the parking pad can be allowed. It reads that there will be an additional 10 X 20 ft. concrete pad in addition to the garage. Jeff Hawks, 6484 East Sunnyside Road, said he would like to get the interpretation of what is written at this time. Jeff felt that the staff and he did not interpret the code for this PUD the same. With the lot widths it is not possible to put a 3 car garage on the RP lots and that is what the public is demanding on the RP lots. The 100 ft. front and the home would have to be very narrow to put a house on these lots. Jeff would like to propose a 10 ft. side yard setback instead of the current 20 and 15 foot setbacks. They feel like with a 10 ft side yard it would fit nicely in this area. Jeff would also like to reduce the foot print of the homes from a 1400 sq. ft. print down to an 1100 sq. ft. print. This would make the home 2000 sq. feet instead of 2400 sq. ft. in all. Jeff would also like the driveway to serve as the parking pad with parking allowed to be parallel to the private alley way, instead of requiring the parking pad to be separate from the driveway, and perpendicular to the private alley way. This creates a 23 ft parking pad. They also don’t believe that a driveway should be 23 ft long. There is ample room on the streets for parking of larger vehicles. The way the “ordinance” is currently written we will always have a 15 ft driveway on all lots and if you add the 3 ft. easement they will be18 ft. He feels that there is no reason for a 23 ft driveway. Commissioner Tom Hunsaker asked if the 3 ft. easement is inside or outside of the property line, and stated the intent of the extra parking space was because there is no parking on the private drives, and the public streets alone would not handle parking demands, especially in the denser sections of the development. Staff is neutral on 1 and 5, but in section 3 they have a problem. Letters from the City Engineer, the Public Works Director, and the Planning Director were submitted stating the reason they feel this parking should be denied. Bob Hansen, 3034 Chartwell Garden, Ammon said they are very happy with what they have up at Hawks Landing. We need to be flexible and bring construction to Hawks Landing. There are “no parking” signs on all private drives. There is parking on Boulder Creek where the overflow can park. Jeff put 3 extra parking spaces in by the gardens for over flow. The additional 10 x 20 pad on each property makes it so there is no place for flowers or yard. They are unappealing and there is no reason for them. Commissioner Kurt Roland asked Bob if they had teenage kids which might cause a problem if they had cars. Bob does not but he could see a problem if a family had 3 or 4 teenagers with cars, they would need additional parking. Rob Phelps 513 Bell Harbor, Idaho Falls. The setbacks are ridiculous, it was quite a blow to have my plan kicked back when I had gone to the time and expense of drawing them up to what I was sure was right. It’s hard to build a decent house on these lots with 20 foot setbacks. They have a 100 ft. lot width and 60 ft. of house and this will not fit with 3 car garages; we would like to see 10 ft. side yards to keep the quality of our homes up. With the parking issue if you could give us 17 feet on the property, and the 3 foot utility easement adjacent to the property which would make it 20 feet. I could live with that. Charles Haszier, 6331 Chartwell Garden, Ammon Idaho said he is new to this city. His wife and he believe in what Jeff is creating here. They would like to see Jeff remain current with what he is trying to do here. Charles is just here to support Jeff Hawkes. Jeff said he feels like he is butting heads with the staff, and can find nothing on the tapes where it says that the driveway cannot serve as the parking pad. Jeff feels they should not have to design a driveway around a large vehicle because that is not who buys these homes. Jeff said this is the way the PUD was designed. He would like to work together with the City and try to compromise. Rob Phelps said we are a PUD subdivision and we have the mansion twins for the smaller family and the bigger lots for the big toys but not in the Mansion Twin. Chairman Simmons closed the public hearing. Scott said he is on neutral ground here and has no problem changing them to 10 foot side yards, and no problem with making the footprint smaller. Steve had no problem with the smaller foot print and the 10 ft. side yards. Tom had no problem with the side yards. Kurt said he likes 10 ft. side yards. Rick was neutral on the side yards and the smaller footprint. Quinn was neutral. Regarding the question of the parking space; Scott said on the issue of the drive ways, he agrees with the developer that a 20 foot driveway is sufficient. As for the intent, Scott doesn’t believe that the intent of the City was for them to be able to park sideways in the driveway. Steve said if they are willing to use 17 feet plus the 3 foot easement that would be ok. Tom said the reason for the extra 10x20 pad was because there was not enough on street parking for visitors. Steve wants to compromise by using the 3foot easement as part of the parking space. Kurt also wanted to go ahead and include the 3 feet as part of the driveway. Rick said as one 23 Planning and Zoning Minutes 11-2-11 Page of who tries to find parking he feels the 20 feet is barely adequate. Quinn thinks that you have to have 20 feet, and the 3 foot easement can be included in the 20 feet, but it has to be perpendicular. Commissioner Steve Richards moved to recommend to the City Council to adopt the first request. As for the second request he recommend to the City Council to adopt a minimum set back of twenty feet which could include the easement. It must be perpendicular to the ally way and a hard paved surface. Commissioner Scott Wessel seconded the motion. 5 for 1 against – the motion passed. Commissioner Tom Hunsaker didn’t believe the Commission had addressed the visitor parking. And the driveway off the alley should not be considered an additional parking spot. ACTION ITEMS: 1. Recommendation on Hearing: Commissioner Tom Hunsaker moved for no additional public hearing. Commissioner Kurt Roland seconded the motion. All in favor – the motion passed. DISCUSSION ITEMS: 1. Comprehensive Plan Draft: Ron wanted to let the Commissioners know that he doesn’t think that we will be ready for a hearing on the Comprehensive Plan in December. REPORTS: 1. City Council Actions: Ron explained what happened in the Council meetings for the month of October. 2. City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning Actions – Cindy Donovan, No report. 3. Planning and Zoning Actions – Tom Hunsaker – The October meeting was postponed until November 9th, and thus had not been held yet. Call for Adjournment: CommissionerRick Butler moved to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner Scott Wessel seconded the motion. All in favor – the motion passed. The meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m. ___________________________________ Quinn Simmons, Chairman ____________________________________ Ron Folsom, City Clerk 33 Planning and Zoning Minutes 11-2-11 Page of