08062008P&ZMinutes
CITY OF AMMON
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6, 2008
AGENDA:
CITY OF AMMON
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
AMENDED
AGENDA
August 6, 2008
2135 South Ammon Road 7:00 P.M.
I.Pledge of Allegiance:
II.Minutes:
None
III.Public Hearings: 2008-023 –
Title 10 Proposed changes to chapters 5, 8, 9, 16, 17, 18, 28, 29, 34
IV.Action Items:
A.Recommendation on Public Hearings.
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B.Amended Plat – Sand Creek Place – Division 1 – 1 Amended
C.Preliminary & Final Plat - Ammon Park Center – Division #3
D.Site Plan – Ammon Park Center – D3, B1, Lot 1
V.Discussion Items:
A.Multi-Use Designation or Zone
B.Comp Plan
VI.Reports:
A.City Council actions
B.City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning actions – Cindy Donovan
C.
Bonneville County Planning and Zoning actions – Tom Hunsaker
VII.Call for Adjournment:
MINUTES
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Tom Hunsaker at 7:00 p.m. in the City Building at 2135 South Ammon
Road, Ammon, Idaho. Lance Bates led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Members Present:
Tom Hunsaker, Chairman
Rick Butler
Richard Jaussi
Greg Maeser
David Hill
Cindy Donovan
Steve Richards
Quinn Simmons
Scott Wessel
City Officials Present:
Ron Folsom, Planning Director
Lance Bates, Engineer
Gay Leming, Deputy Clerk
MINUTES:
None
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
Chairman Tom Hunsaker explained the process for Public Hearings.
Hearing #2008-023 – Title 10 Proposed changes to chapters 5, 8, 9, 16, 17, 18, 28, 29, 34:
Ron discussed the
changes to Title 10 addressing parking in Chapter 5, Section 10-5-23(D)1(b). It was discussed that single car garages
are allowed for a single-family dwelling. The changes were discussed and a question arose, if more changes were
necessary. If more are necessary, the Commission would need to have another hearing. Scott Wessel inquired about
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10-5-20, addressing signs in a residential zone. It was discussed political signs are allowed and temporary signs are not
prohibited. Scott inquired about 10-5-15, about storing cars inside a building and if inside, is it okay. Tom Hunsaker
commented that the County is stricter and interprets it differently.
Todd Smith, 872 N. 2000 Pleasant Grove, UT. commented about people not being able to qualify for a house
because of the extra square footage with a 2 car garage. Tom Hunsaker explained what has been done with different
zones. Todd stated first-time home owners cannot afford a 2 car garage. Tom stated that R2 and R-2A will be 1100 sq
ft. but R-3A will be 1000 sq. ft. Todd Smith is recommending carports instead of garages on the town homes. Todd
stated the existing ordinance is pushing the development of single family attached dwelling units, out of the market,
unless you are at the higher price points. Chapter 8 was discussed, clarifying what the zoning and building department
jobs are. Chapter 9 with Conditional Use Permits was discussed adding language that is in the state code. This will
enable P&Z or Council the right to request specific items before the CUP will be granted. Tom Hunsaker suggested
addressing 16, 17, and 18 at the same time. Ron talked about language concerning the square footage in an attached
dwelling. If your building is detached or an attached townhouse, you can build 1000-1100 sq ft instead of 1300 or 1500
sq ft allowed in the zone. If you are building apartments only, then you can build 10 per acre, however, if the building
is townhouses then 12 units per acre.
Todd Smith discussed the R-3A zone and the demand for the zone if done properly. Ron discussed that
density isn’t the issue it’s the quality of the development. In R-3A, 50 units per acre are not uncommon, however, in
Idaho Falls its 35 units per acre. Ron stated he would like to see the City go forth with architectural standards. Todd
stated that developers traditionally do not like to go through architectural standards because it requires a lot more work
to satisfy staff. On the other hand, however, in the markets where the standards are there the developers produce a
better product. He actually loves them because it weeds out developers who are not in the business to produce a good
product. The thing that maximizes the desire to change an apartment complex to a townhouse is the ability to go in and
put in a new fascia, carpeting, paint and nice appliances and condominiumizing it, which will add value to the units. If
the P&Z changes the ordinance, this will enable him to do this. Adding a 2 hour firewall to the roof line was discussed
by the Commission and if it makes sense for the future. Todd stated that people would prefer ownership over rental if
they can afford it. Chapter 29 was discussed, would be revised allowing the City Engineer and Planning Director to
determine the need of a replat, for example, when a neighbor is back to back in an existing subdivision, they won’t have
to replat when there are only 3ft. separation in distance. Item C references, if it is a new division or side line
adjustments, they will have to replat. Item D states any change that divides a building will require an amended plat or a
condo plat. City Council will see the site plan but will not review the site plan. Item E discusses adding a section about
certificate of occupancies for sidewalks and driveways issues. This will make the zoning officer responsible for
reviewing the site and achieving compliance. Ron stated he will add the penalty clause to this in the future but the City
can still revert back to Title 1, Chapter 4 for the penalty in the meantime.
Ron stated the billboard ordinance has been revised to freeze the number of billboards to four with no
lighting between 11 pm and 6 am and the current billboards will not be allowed to be changed and after their life usage
will have to be removed. Ron stated that it has been ruled that a City does not have to allow billboards.
Greg Maeser motion to approve Title 10 with the minor grammatical changes we have made. Cindy Donovan
seconded. All in favor - the motion passed.
ACTION ITEMS:
A. Recommendation on Public Hearings:
Cindy Donovan moved that no public hearing for 2008-023 Title 10
Proposed Changes at City Council level is required. Rick Butler seconded. All in favor – the motion passed.
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B. Amended Plat – Sand Creek Place – Division 1 – 1 Amended:
Ron discussed Lot 4 will become Lots 7 &
8 to allow for parking. The developer will be resubmitting a new site plan for Lot 8.
Richard Jaussi motioned to approve Sand Creek Place Division #1as amended, subjected to technical review.
Steve Richards seconded. All in favor – the motion passed.
C. Preliminary & Final Plat - Ammon Park Center – Division #4:
Ron explained the location of the property
and that Lot 1 is the site plan you are reviewing. Ron explained that it is a large lot but there will be amended plats as
different development comes in. Ron stated there was a misunderstanding and the developer numbered this plat
incorrectly. Ron explained that the Veterinary Clinic is in the Burr Subdivision and Walgreens is in the Walgreens
Subdivision. The developer will be changing all of this to the Ammon Park Center in the future. This plat will be
designated as Ammon Park Center Division # 3 instead of Division # 4.
Richard Jaussi motioned to approve the Preliminary & Final Plat, Ammon Park Center, Division #3, subject to
tech review. Greg Maeser seconded. All in favor – the motion passed.
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D. Site Plan – Ammon Park Center – D4, B1, Lot 1:
Ron described the site plan is 4800 sq ft located in
building zone CC-1with 23 parking spaces, however, there is room for 24. Ron advised the developer to be sure that it
is 24 spaces. Steve asked if each site will be responsible for their storm retention. Lance stated yes. Steve asked if the
fire hydrants had been reviewed. Ron stated this came in late and it has not been reviewed yet but it will be. Tom
inquired as to what they will be doing for storm drainage.
Mike Bischoff, 1480 N. 75 E. Shelley, ID. explained the storm drainage will be in the middle of the parking lot
with perforated pipe with washed rock around them.
Scott Wessel moved to recommend City Council approve the Site Plan, Ammon Park Center, Division 3,
Block 1, Lot 1, subject to technical review, as presented. Richard Jaussi seconded. All in favor – the motion passed.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
A. Multi-Use Designation or Zone
: Ron wants to put a new zone in for the purpose of multi-use in zones. Ron
stated that R-3A used to be able to have professional offices and housing in the same zone. Greg Maeser asked if we
could go back the way it was. Ron explained that there was too much risk for someone to come in and say they are
putting professional offices then change to apartments. Tom suggested we possibility step back from conditional use
permits or creating a multi-use zone. Todd Smith talked about the PUD being a great tool for multi-use designation.
Todd prefers the PUD rather than a zone because there might be something a developer suggests that would have been
missed when the ordinance was created but the Commission would like. Todd stated the problem for the developer,
with a PUD, is the time it takes to get it through. Greg Maeser suggested moving this to a planning meeting. The
Commission concurred.
BComp Plan:
. Ron asked the Commission to go through the definitions and decide which ones they like.
REPORTS:
A. City Council:
Ron talked about the City Council actions. The Council has adopted new frontage fees. They
are moving forward with judicial confirmation on the water bonding. Ron went over the discussion in Council
concerning Ross and Sunnyside’s corner zoning. There is a proposal before Council for the liquor store regarding fees
charged. The State requested that the City does not charge the fees to the State because the funds come back to the
City. The Council discussed they had never exempted anyone and was not comfortable doing this. Ron stated the
Council voted against the three readings being waived so it will take three readings to adopt this. The Council adopted
a new tree ordinance and approved the used car lot on the corner of Sunnyside and Ammon. The Council is discussing
a change to the noise ordinance prohibiting diesel jake brakes.
B. City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning actions – Cindy:
Cindy Donovan stated there was nothing to report.
C. Bonneville County Planning and Zoning actions – Tom Hunsaker
: Tom Hunsaker stated there was nothing to
report.
Commissioner Rick Butler motioned to adjourn. Scott Wessel seconded. All in favor – the meeting
adjourned.
The meeting adjourned at 10:22 p.m.
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Tom Hunsaker, Chairman
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Leslie Folsom, City Clerk
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